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Thursday Night DL at the Bee's Knees

 

Changes and Nagging

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, May 8th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Bee's Knees at 850 Lindsay Blvd (in the front of the Guesthouse Inn)
 




Plan to join us on May 22nd!

NEW LOCATION:  The Bee's Knees is now open where the Wild Russet used to be.  We will be meeting there this week.  I haven't been there in a couple weeks.  I understand that the menu is completely changed, with a lot of fresh and healthy choices in addition to a few of the burgers that they used to have.  They also have a specialty drink menu. 


Roy Zimmerman!  Thursday, May 22nd, at the Unitarian Universalist Church.  This is a great show, with new material.  How new?  Last week new!  Roy takes on Cliven Bundy's cattle.

More great songs:

This will, of course, be our Drinking Liberally meeting for that fourth Thursday in May.  If you haven't yet been to one of Roy's shows, I truly envy you as you experience his humor, his wordplay, and his showmanship for the first time.


Finally, a delicate subject to address.  At last weekend's soup kitchen, there were four of us left cleaning up at about 2pm.  Strangely enough it was the same four people who showed up early to get prepared.

Soup kitchen is a fun event - if you have not joined us there, I encourage you to join us.  And I do not want to sound ungrateful for the help that we get from everyone.  I don't want that to change.  Further, we all understand that there are commitments that people have to keep.  If you have to leave at 1pm, that's fine - we understand.  No problem.  But when everybody leaves before cleanup is done except for the cooks - then we have an issue.

Perhaps the issue is that people are not really aware of the cleaning that needs to take place afterwards.  We do have a list of things that need to be done, and any of the cooks can tell you one of items if you ask.  And perhaps there are other things that we can do to help the process go more smoothly.  Do we need a Cleanup Leader?  Please bring any ideas you have to our attention so that we can fix this problem.

And thanks to all who join us for this fun and worthwhile activity.  It means a lot to the community, and to our group.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"If I was in charge, they would know, waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."
- Sarah Palin

 

"These days, the House Republicans are actually giving John Boehner a harder time than they give me, which means orange really is the new black."
- President Obama

 

"This Benghazi obsession has turned the entire GOP into a party of Nancy Graces."
- Lizz Winstead

 

Poem of the Week

Knot

maybe you think I do not know
maybe you think I could not be
maybe I am not where I go
maybe you are not here with me

perhaps the moon is nothing old
perhaps the sun is never new
perhaps all stories have been told
perhaps there is no being through

it could be everything is here
it could be everything is near
it could be heaven is not far
it could be now just where we are

perhaps all maybes will be done
maybe all should-bes might be too
it could be everything is one
beyond the shadow of we two

 

links ... links ... Links ... LINKS ... LINKS!

  * This is why Justice Kennedy failed in his decision last week when he said prayers before legislative sessions are merely "ceremonial:"  Christians angry about Hindu prayer in US Senate (this is a seven-yr-old event)
  * Idaho makes the Daily Show
* What do you think about this:  a woman posts a video of her abortion
* Who could have predicted it?  Bundy ranch squabbles get dangerous.
* Simplify:  a really tiny house
* Bad idea:  a white guy dismisses the concept of privilege (and a fantastic take-down of his opinion)
* Vi Hart video:  great explanation of net neutrality
* More scientific explanation of the conservative pathology
* A great spoken word poem

 

Schedule

 

     
May 22 Thurs Roy Zimmerman in concert - 7pm, Unitarian Universalist Church
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

My Precious

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, May 1st
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 


Plan to join us on May 22nd!

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear otherwise, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls (475 River Pkwy).

[Latest news is that we will be at the Hotel on the Falls for maybe one more week.  And the Wild Russet is being renamed the Bee's Knees.]


Idaho Gives!  May 1st is Idaho Gives day.  There's power in numbers, so join together with Idahoans to make our state a better place. Every donation can help your favorite nonprofit and earn them a chance to win cash prizes throughout the day.

There are hundreds of worthy nonprofits.  If you're open to suggestions, I might suggest the ACLU of Idaho or United Vision for Idaho.


Roy Zimmerman!  Thursday, May 22nd, at the Unitarian Universalist Church.  This is a great show, with new material.  How new?  Last week new!  Roy takes on Cliven Bundy's cattle.

This will, of course, be our Drinking Liberally meeting for that fourth Thursday in May.  If you haven't yet been to one of Roy's shows, I truly envy you as you experience his humor, his wordplay, and his showmanship for the first time.


It seems that people can be stupid.  Even liberals, sometimes.  In the laboratory, it can be shown that people will start to believe false things when those false beliefs support their existing political leanings.  It's a bipartisan failing.

Paul Krugman agrees, but wonders where are the amazingly stupid issues on the left?  What is the left's equivalent of climate change denial?  Where is the liberal equivalent of irrational Obamacare hatred?  Where is our birtherism?  Where is our teabagger faction?  Is it just a coincidence that the GOP is racist?

So in sterile laboratory settings, liberals are equally biased and just as easily misled as conservatives.  Yet out in the real world, conservatives are stark raving bonkers while liberals are basically sane and reality-based.  What explains this case of asymmetric stupidity?


Ezra Klein thinks that the answer lies in group dynamics:  that there is something different about how conservatives arrive at consensus and develop policy.  "Political reasoning doesn't take place inside our heads.  It takes place inside our parties, [...]" he says.  "Republicans and Democrats are similarly prone to partisan self-deception on the individual level, but the weakness of the Republican Party establishment has left the Democratic Party more capable of checking its worst impulses on the national level."  Read Klein's article, because it is deeper and more interesting than I'm representing here.

However, Klein's response seems a bit weak to me overall.  It seems like he's trying to point out something true and very problematic, but without offending conservatives too much.  He won't just come out and say that the Republicans are just psychologically sick.  Or that there is something fundamental going wrong with them as a group.  I think the problem is very much related to something similar to how fears of minority racial status make people more conservative.

Coming to wrong-headed conclusions about something as straight-forward as climate change is one thing.  But nearly nominating Michele Bachmann only to fall back to Herman Cain?  That's bug-nuts insane.

And pushing to repeal Obamacare - a program that Republicans wrote and supported in the past - that seems like a massive bit of political dishonesty.  But supporting Cliven Bundy's crusade to steal from Americans?  That's a clear case of mass psychopathy.

No, the problem goes beyond group dynamics and party structure.  It goes straight to the conservative id - that fearful, Gollum-like creature that dwells in Rick Perry's cranial vacuum and Sean Hannity's vacant chest cavity.  In their minds they see themselves losing on so many issues of the day, descending into the dank, musty caverns of irrelevancy.  They mutter about their Precious - free market economics.

And that's what is driving them to become more conservative than any sane person would become on his or her own.  It's desperation.  It's lashing out in anger and fear.  It's not calm, rational thought.

I wish our pundits would point that out directly instead of seeking comity.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro, when I go through Las Vegas ... North Las Vegas ... and I would see these little government houses and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do.  They didn't have nothing for their kids to do.  They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?  They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton.  And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy?  They didn't get no more freedom.  They got less freedom.

"They had less family life and their happiness you could see in their faces they wasn't happy sittin on the concrete sidewalk.  Down there they'd be probably growing their turnips.  So that's all government, that's not freedom."
- Cliven Bundy

 

"Where is our colored brother?  Where is our Mexican brother?  Where is our Chinese - where are they?  They're just as much American as we are, and they're not with us.  If they're not with us, they're going to be against us."
- Cliven Bundy

 

"If I say 'negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' I'm not - if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive [sic] then Martin Luther King didn't do his job."
- Cliven Bundy

 

Poem of the Week

Ode to Sean Hannity

Aping urbanity
Oozing with vanity
Plump as a manatee
Faking humanity
Journalistic calamity
Intellectual inanity
Fox Noise insanity
You're a profanity
Hannity

 

links ... links ... Links ... LINKS ... LINKS!

  * A great interview with Kathrine Switzer (I covered her story here)
* Stewart:  on Bundy's negro studies
* A great overview of Camp Bundy
* In Idaho:  primary employers by county
* Really interesting:  Radiolab discusses the US-Canadian border (it's more interesting than you think)
* A printer that prints houses
* 90 days in solitary for buying 5 souls
* OMG:  some dunderhead in Meridian called the police on a free book distribution
* Great advice for interacting with adoptive families
* After awhile, you find yourself rooting for the bull
* Republicans and racism:  all just a big coincidence
* How to drink and not get drunk (serious article - I will be testing it at this week's meeting)
* Don't indict this guy while standing near a precipice

 

Schedule

 

     
May 2 Fri IF City ClubClimate Change, presented by Russ Brown (Bennion SUB, noon - 1:30pm)
May 3 Sat Truman Banquet, Bennion SUB, social hour at 6PM, dinner at 7PM
May 4 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
May 22 Thurs Roy Zimmerman in concert - 7pm, Unitarian Universalist Church
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Free Food

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, April 24th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 


SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear otherwise, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls (475 River Pkwy).

[Latest news is that we will be at the Hotel on the Falls for maybe two more weeks.  And the Wild Russet is being renamed the Bee's Knees.]


SPECIAL GUEST!  Please join us this week for a special guest from Pocatello.  Carmen Stanger will join us to talk about bullying of LGBTQ youth, and her efforts with the Add the Words campaign since the death of her daughter Maddie.


So London's Mail on Sunday (aka MOS - a conservative weekly, and a sister paper to London's Daily Mail) published the following hard-hitting piece of journimalism on Easter Sunday:

Yes, they are actually complaining that someone who lied about needing food was given it by a food bank.  I think that means that this coming Soup Kitchen Sunday we will have need of bouncers and bureaucrats to verify that our clients are actually as hungry as they claim to be.

The response has been interesting.  The foodbank has received a surge in contributions.  And there were satirical responses as well:

 

It all reminds me of this great bit by Jon Stewart about how Fox News mocked people who bought seafood with food stamps.

We liberals need to push back on this stupidity when we see it.  It is absolutely insane to oppose social welfare programs just because you find a few examples of people gaming the system (whether intentionally or not).

Our social safety nets have to be healthy and robust enough to help the people who need them, while withstanding a little fraud and abuse.  They should not be required to be free from all fraud and abuse.  And those who demand that our safety nets be cut back until there are no examples of fraud and abuse must be called out for exactly who they are:  greedy, self-centered asses who don't want to help anyone at all.

Unless it's a millionaire rancher who has been stealing from the public for 20 years.  That guy deserves sympathy.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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* Petition:  ask Congress to revoke the Boy Scouts of America charter
* Petition:  tell the BLM to enforce the law against Bundy
* Petition:  and another petition

 

Quotations of the Week

"This is the story of our political journalism.  It's like Hollywood journalism now.  A lot can be traced back to when the press decided that its job was to find out who these people are as characters.  And essentially that means catching them in lapses, contradictions, ignoring what fills the Theodore White presidential campaign books, which is issues and places.  It didn't seem like a genius idea to write about rural Virginia in doing a piece for The New Yorker on Obama's first year.  It seemed like, of course that's what we'll do.  We'll go to southern Virginia and see how it's playing out in terms of works projects and people's attitudes.  But hardly anyone else did that.  It shows that our political journalism has become kind of a hot house world.  It's a very powerful world.  TV magnifies it in a big way, distorts it.  But I think most political journalists have forgotten what politics is."
- George Packer

 

Poem of the Week

When They Die We Change Our Minds About Them

When they die we change our minds
about them.  While they live we see
the plenty hard they're trying,
to be a star, or nice, or wise,
and so we do not quite believe them.

When they die, suddenly they are
what they claimed.  Turns out,
that's what one of those looks like.

The cold war over manner of manly
or mission is over.  Same person,
same facts and acts, just now
a quiet brain stem.  We no longer
begrudge his or her stupid luck.

When they die we change our minds
about them.  I will try to believe
while you yet breathe.

 

links ... links ... Links ... LINKS ... LINKS!

  * Prop 8 lawyer now supports gay marriage (amazing things happen when you have a gay daughter - just ask Dick Cheney)
* A better Family Circus
* It's scientific, we're an oligarchy
* The BSA dumps Geoff McGrath's troop
* Americans and science:  drifting apart
* Badger Houdini
* Coloring book corruptions
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
May 2 Fri IF City ClubClimate Change, presented by Russ Brown (Bennion SUB, noon - 1:30pm)
May 3 Sat Truman Banquet, Bennion SUB, social hour at 6PM, dinner at 7PM
May 4 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
May 22 Thurs Roy Zimmerman in concert - 7pm, Unitarian Universalist Church
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Using Their Tools

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, April 17th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 


Plan to join us on May 22nd!

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear otherwise, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls (475 River Pkwy).

[Latest news is that we will be at the Hotel on the Falls for at least two more weeks.  And the Wild Russet is being renamed the Bee's Knees.]


Reminder

This Thursday is the Idaho Humanities Council's 7th Annual Eastern Idaho Distinguished Humanities Lecture and Dinner.  The guest speaker is Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson, author of The Warmth of Other Suns:  The Epic Story of America's Great Migration.  Several of us are attending the dinner, and will miss our Drinking Liberally meeting.  Please carry on, and welcome any new people that might show up.

It may not be too late for you to participate.  Let me know by phone or email if you'd like to join us there.


Here's a great story.  At the public hearing about the removal of Sherman Alexie's book, The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian, from the Meridian school district curriculum, someone presented a petition signed by 350 students in favor of keeping the book.  So two women, Jennifer Lott and Sara Baker, decided to buy 350 copies for those kids.  Go to that link to help out if you like.

It sort of reminded me of the response to the death of Westboro Baptist Church leader Fred Phelps, pictured here.  Both of these are great examples of turning weapons around on people, with a twist that makes it good.

Unfortunately, there are bad examples, too.  We just saw 1,000 teabaggers show up at the Bundy Anti-American Canteloupe Ranch to defend that millionaire's right to feed his cows on public land for free.  Many were armed and belligerent, so the BLM did the smart thing and backed off before innocent people were killed.

And the Second Amendment Absolutists celebrated.  They had used weapons and threats to force the BLM to back down, thus preserving the traditional right of wealthy, white people to steal things without consequences.


But there were two other good examples recently.  Mozilla hired a new CEO, Brendan Eich, who turned out to have been a supporter of California's Proposition 8, and a donor to its defense.  There was an uproar, which resulted in Eich's resignation.

Sure, Eich has a 1st Amendment right to speak his mind on whether people other than him should be allowed to get married (although why he thinks he should do such an immoral thing is beyond me).  But millions of Mozilla users and stockholders also have a right to speak their minds on whether they like the idea of a bigot heading the company.

The free market sure tends to annoy privileged people when it works against them.

But perhaps the best example of using someone's tools against them is also close to home.  The Methodist church that hired Geoff McGrath as its Scoutmaster is using the religious freedom argument against the Boy Scouts of America!  That's right.  They are arguing that the Boy Scouts of America are violating the religious rights of the church by trying to discredit a person that they hired.

I've often raved about how the religious rights argument is being misused and misapplied.  And this case is no different, really.  But by using the the argument against the BSA, perhaps it will bring to light just how lousy that argument is.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"CBS has just declared war on the heartland of America.  No longer is comedy going to be a covert assault on traditional American values [and] conservatives.  Now, it's just wide out in the open.  What this hire means is a redefinition of what is funny and a redefinition of what is comedy."
- Rush Limbaugh, on Colbert taking over the Late Show

 

"Call it 'individualism' or 'libertarianism' or whatever you want, but those who declare themselves a Republic of One and raise their own flags are in a very literal sense being unpatriotic.

That's why I'm alarmed by the support in many conservative precincts for the Nevada scofflaws who have been exploiting public lands for private purposes and refuse to pay for the privilege because they choose not to 'recognize' the authority of the United States.  Totally aside from the double standards involved in expecting kid-glove treatment of one set of lawbreakers as opposed to poorer and perhaps darker criminal suspects, fans of the Bundys are encouraging those who claim a right to wage armed revolutionary war towards their obligations as Americans.  It makes me really crazy when such people are described as 'superpatriots.'  Nothing could be more contrary to the truth."
- Ed Kilgore

 

Poem of the Week

Nails

How did people trim their toenails in ancient times?
The Virgin Mary's toenails look fine
in the paintings of the Italian Renaissance,
and it's a good thing, too, for it would be hard
to worship a figure with very long toenails.
Perugino scoffed at a religion aimed
toward God but whose real attention
was on Mary, but he gave her nice toenails.
I've never looked at Jesus' toenails, even
though they're near the holes
in his feet, where the other nails were.
Cruelty is so graphic and hard to understand,
whereas beauty, even the beauty of a toe,
makes perfect sense.  To me, anyway.

 

links … links … Links … LINKS … LINKS!

  * John Kerry schools Jim Risch
* The nutjobs are gearing up for war (here's an early confrontation)
* Justice John Paul Stevens says something very reasonable about gun control
* OMG:  a fetal stand-your-ground law!  What next?
* Your Inner Fish (I think it's better than Cosmos)
* An overview of ALEC (thanks, Hollis)
* Romney reappears in Idaho
* Anonymous person updates subway signs
* Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zero's Home
* … and a cute cover with a great message (the reason for these three links)
* … and there's always the version from Tiny Desk Concerts
* Game of Thrones attack ads
* Unique classical music play
* Yirk it up, mufflesucks.  Jabberwocky astrology - just as accurate as regular astrology, but more interesting to read.
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture - 7pm at the Shilo Inn
Apr 19 Sat 2014-15 "Miss, Ms. & Mr" Southeastern Idaho Pride Pageant (Shoshone-Bannock Hotel & Event Center, 777 Bannock Trail, Fort Hall)
May 2 Fri IF City ClubClimate Change, presented by Russ Brown (Bennion SUB, noon - 1:30pm)
May 3 Sat Truman Banquet, Bennion SUB, social hour at 6PM, dinner at 7PM
May 4 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
May 22 Thurs Roy Zimmerman in concert - 7pm, Unitarian Universalist Church
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Groupal Disfunction

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, April 10th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 




Letter in today's Post Register

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear that the Wild Russet has had its liquor license reinstated, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

Plan to meet there for the near future.

Also, let me know if you actually prefer meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

[The Wild Russet is being painted this week, hopefully to open sometime next week.  If it opens by Wednesday, we'll be back there on April 17th.  However, that is the night of the Idaho Humanities dinner, so it may be a slow night at DL.]


 

Reminder

The Idaho Humanities Council is holding their 7th Annual Eastern Idaho Distinguished Humanities Lecture and Dinner on April 17th.  The guest speaker is Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson, author of The Warmth of Other Suns:  The Epic Story of America's Great Migration.  If there is any interest, I'd like to put together a Drinking Liberally table.  Please let me know if you are interested in this event.

Again, the event is being held on Thursday, April 17, 7pm, at the Shilo Inn.

I now have at least another half-table full of DL members who will be going.  I'd like to fill that table - please consider joining us!


 

It's been brought to my attention that last week's notice was a little more religious than political.  Which is true.  I tried to bring it around to something more general, without a whole lot of success.  So I apologize in advance for starting out this week with a religious topic.  I promise that the point is more general.  And you can trust me because I'm bringing it around to the letter to the editor that is pictured above.

Last weekend was General Conference for those of the LDS faith.  And they had some very brave women protesting in Temple Square to get the church to open the priesthood to women.  The Church closed the area to the press in order to prevent coverage of the protest.

I ended up discussing the topic on a friend's Facebook page.  The standard answer given by the Church and its defenders is that women have been bestowed with the gift of being able to give birth.  Since they are so blessed, the priesthood is one of the responsibilities given to men.  Different responsibilities and authorities, but equal in the long run. Men get to run the Church, but women get to pump out babies.

What fascinated me about the discussion was that one woman came in to the discussion specifically to object to the fact that people outside the church were expressing interest.  I explained my reasoning, and then she said this about why she didn't think it necessary for her to care:

I was raised LDS and I am not what you could call a current, card carrying, church goer.  I honestly don't care if the church does or does not give women the priesthood.  I don't care because of this simple reason.  I know, as a woman, I have all I need now without somebody ( male or female) telling me what to believe or what I want.  I don't lack anything because I'm a woman.  I do believe in prayer, God, and some mythology and I try to do good.  I am just happy keeping my side of the street clean.  I resent that some women are trying to tell me how I "should" feel in the religion.  I also don't need a man to tell me I am just as important as a man.  DUH!!I know who I am, what I can do, and where I come from.

Notice the difference.  She considers herself a strong woman who doesn't need a man to grant her equality.  She basically ignores men who want to lecture her on her role.  Which is great, in my book.

But she resents women who are asking for equality.  She later suggested that resentment was too strong a word, but that she does still react to men and women differently:

I have known women who have had bad experiences and yes I am harder on women than I am men when it comes to that.  A woman cannot be made to feel inferior unless she allows it.  It's our responsibility as women to own our feelings and own our beliefs even in a patriarchal environment.  If a woman chooses to give her power away because some ego with feet and different gender tells her too, that's her problem.

So the point of all this - a point that goes way beyond religion - is that I continue to be amazed at the way that certain movements/philosophies get people to attack people very much like themselves for the purpose of defending the movement/philosophy.  Here we have a patriarchal religion that discriminates against women, and women are often the most vitriolic in their attacks on their sisters who are working to end the discrimination.  The woman commenting above just thought the male leadership was the male leadership - "What can you do?" Just ignore them.  But those women protesters?  They need to shut up.  They need to be stronger.  They are the problem.

We see that same dynamic in politics.  We all know people - some of whom are relatives - who berate those on welfare, but who don't mind the extreme 1% who are really milking the system.  Their anger is limited to those most like themselves.  And not only do they blame the poor and disadvantaged, but they blame those people who are working to fix the problems that we are all suffering from.  They hate the do-gooders, the intellectuals, the community activists, and they object to the regulations put in place to protect them.

And we have all experienced the viewpoint expressed by Beth Beazer Ryan (from the pictured letter above):  women who blame other women for the failures of men.  That's the same twisted mental state, really.  If only the members of her own group would behave better, problems would vanish.

I keep returning to the post I did about system justification theory.  And while that theory helps explain why people in disadvantaged classes often tend to defend the system that is harmful to them, and to rationalize just why they are not seeing the same success as others, I don't know if it goes the half-step further to explain why members of those disadvantaged classes turn on one another.  How do people begin to blame people within their own class - especially those working to eliminate the inequalities?

And a related mystery is why only the right seems to be good at capitalizing on this dynamic.  They mobilize and capitalize a large portion of the lower economic and social classes through lots of approaches (e.g., Teabaggers) to defend the rights and privileges of the upper classes.  Why can't the left have the same success?  Or do they?

Anti-feminist women.  Working-class haters of the poor.  Pro-Jesus conservatives.  Even Log Cabin Republicans.  Are there any similar self-hating groups on the left?

Cheers,
Dan

 

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"I was in Ohio recently and everyone there actually seemed perfectly normal.  I was left with a sense that the fundamental right wing is relatively small, though frighteningly dominant.  The problem with America is that it's always been an almost-great nation, always held back from true greatness by the strata of cretins that overlay the society.  At this stage, they've become heavily integrated into the political system and all levels of the federal government, not to mention the media.  Identity politics, like party politics and religion, is divisive and at its heart irrational.  The response of the Right is not to change its policies but to rid itself of intellectual coherence."
- Kara Vallow

 

"Humans are irrational, and their evaluation of scientific claims is just as subject to their irrationality as anything else.  Liberals are just as subject to this universal human failing as conservatives.  The aggrieved liberal parents who swear that vaccines are the reason their children developed autism, even when scientific research soundly refutes this, are every bit as pigheaded as any Republican science denier.  They get their information from the Internet, from a few non-mainstream researchers who continue to challenge the scientific consensus, and from people like Jenny McCarthy, who has made a cause of championing such misinformation.  Conservative anti-vaxxers come to it ideologically from the 'the gum'int can't tell me to vaccinate' standpoint, but Liberals seem more likely to buy into it for real, as they do with homeopathy and that mysterious 'toxins' can be 'flushed out' of our bodies.  They engage in conspiracy-mongering about metal dental fillings, or the Trilateral Commission Traded Vaccine Panic to the Freemasons for Fluoridated Water, or a conspiracy to be named later."
- Kara Vallow

 

"But while I'm happy to condemn the anti-vaccine loons who really do represent a threat to public health as just plain unscientific and wrong and SO ANNOYING, they have had nothing like the influence on the Left as the global-warming deniers have had on the Right.  Republican voters are vastly more likely than Democratic voters to poo-poo the scientific consensus that global warming is brought about by human activity, maybe because of an inexplicable and unwavering bias in favor of business and industry.  A Democratic candidate publicly supporting polio vaccines may fire up a few misinformed wackaloons, but a Republican candidate decrying manmade global warming will be primaried before the mic goes cold."
- Kara Vallow

 

Poem of the Week

Thief

I remember the hour
you stole time from me

and here in these late pages
I try to collect back

the kisses in the parking lot
that erased my history

next to that green F-150
when you became my future.

 

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  * Idaho's Top 10 Embarrassments of the Idaho legislative session
* Watch the viral video - watch the Captain Disillusion debunking - watch the retaliatory response
* Fascinating:  study shows only the opinions of the rich matter
* Is Christie cooked?
* A damn good interview with Kara Vallow, animator for Cosmos (you should read the whole thing, given that I quoted from it three times above)
* How to fold a life-size origami elephant
* Just how deep is the transponder?
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture - 7pm at the Shilo Inn
Apr 19 Sat 2014-15 "Miss, Ms. & Mr" Southeastern Idaho Pride Pageant (Shoshone-Bannock Hotel & Event Center, 777 Bannock Trail, Fort Hall)
May 3 Sat Truman Banquet, Bennion SUB, social hour at 6PM, dinner at 7PM
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

More Deepities

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, April 3rd
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 




"Nowhere in the Holy Bible have I found a word of condemnation for the operation of slavery, Old or New Testament.  If slavery was so bad, why didn't Jesus, Paul or the prophets say something?" - Arkansas state representative Loy Mauch (Republican)

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear that the Wild Russet has had its liquor license reinstated, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

Plan to meet there for the near future.

Also, let me know if you actually prefer meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

[I have now heard that Wild Russet will be open sometime next week.  If it opens by Wednesday, we'll be back there on April 10th.]


 

Reminder

The Idaho Humanities Council is holding their 7th Annual Eastern Idaho Distinguished Humanities Lecture and Dinner on April 17th.  The guest speaker is Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson, author of The Warmth of Other Suns:  The Epic Story of America's Great Migration.  If there is any interest, I'd like to put together a Drinking Liberally table.  Please let me know if you are interested in this event.

Again, the event is being held on Thursday, April 17, 7pm, at the Shilo Inn.

I now have at least another half-table full of DL members who will be going.  I'd like to fill that table - please consider joining us!


 

I've been watching some philosophical videos lately - relating to the abortion debate, and to apologetics, and other things.  It's a rather dangerous pastime, because you subject yourself to some really horrible arguments.  This video, for example, is about presuppositional apologetics.  That is the philosophical position that the existence of reason, knowledge, and morality implies (or presupposes) the Christian god.

If you don't see how that makes any sense, then believe me you're not alone.  It is designed to be a purely logical argument for god.  That is, it has no need for fact or observation because it relies on a simplistic (though disingenuous) logical proof.  The gist of the argument is that as conscious humans we try to understand the world around us using our reason and logic.  But how do we know that our reason and logic are trustworthy?  How do we establish the accuracy and reliability of our reasoning?  We have to evaluate those faculties using our reason and logic.  So we are trying to use reason and logic to prove reason and logic.


Proponents of presuppositional apologetics claim that is visciously circular, and that therefore we cannot actually be certain of knowing anything at all.  They insist that we can't be confident in our reason and logic - and therefore, we can't be sure that we understand anything in our world - without some outside standard for what is reasonable and logical.  Apparently, it's only the Christian god that can provide that standard.  Presuppositionalists claim that god imbues us with this gift, and without it nothing can make sense.

Technically, there is a difference between the presuppositionalist position and the related transcendentalist arguments.  That last part about how god has imbued us with the ability to have perfect logic, reasoning, and morality is what sets the two apart.  The difference is interesting, but kind of beyond the scope of a party invitation.

The video I linked to above will introduce you to Sye Ten Bruggencate - one of the prominent presuppositionalists.  He is one very slick debater.  Which is not to say that he's peddling anything other than bullshit.  [Here is an audio interview with him conducted by Alex Botten where you can marvel at Ten Bruggencate's weird philosophy and his dishonest debating style.  Botten eventually destroys Ten Bruggencate, but not after falling victim to what are essentailly semantic pitfalls.]

It's often hard to argue against positions like presuppositionalism.  The reason is that the supporter has actually abandoned all the rules of logic in formulating the argument.  He has snuck his conclusion in with his premises in a clever way that seems convincing to those who already buy the conclusion.  Since the proponent has abandoned logic from the outset, logical refutation becomes more of a he-said/she-said affair.

But I can offer an analogy.  Presuppositionalism is akin to making the argument that language must be impossible because we need words to form definitions and we need definitions in order to use words.  That is circular and therefore we can never speak (unless some gift is given to us by some outside force).  In fact, circularity like that is a normal part of consciousness.  There are many examples in human development.  How do we generate a notion of self as our brains develop?  The concept would seem to require that we understand that others exist and are separate from us.  But how can we conceive of the existence of others without having the concept of self first?  Psychology is full of boot-strapping notions that seem circular, but which most humans easily navigate as they mature.

A simple mechanical analogy is found in most vehicles sold today.  Let's say you take your car in to the shop because the check engine light is on.  The mechanic looks up the error code and informs you that you have a fault in the diagnostic computer itself.  He replaces the diagnostic computer element, and you're good to go.

But how did the car's computer diagnostic system find a fault in the diagnostic system?  Would Sye Ten Bruggencate object that if the computer diagnostic system were faulty, then we can't trust its detection of a fault in itself?  That unless it's perfect, it can't do its job at all?  Apparently he would.

Ten Bruggencate fails to recognize that we validate our reason and logic all day every day for our entire lives through our interactions with each other and the environment.  The fact that we have arrived at middle-age adulthood relatively safely (with only a few minor scrapes and bruises) - with the ability to function with our fellow society members - is a valid testament to the success of our reasoning and logical abilities.  Our internal computers must be working pretty well if we can navigate and function successfully in today's complicated world.

In any event, it is disingenuous to fail to recognize that circularity is a regular feature of reality, or to use it to rationalize the existence of some supernatural power.

The fact is that reality is actually circular at it's most fundamental nature.  We have very weird physics that come into play at the edges of time and space; those counterintuitive physical laws seem to exist precisely because reality cannot be reduced to a simplistic and intuitive laws that match our day-to-day experience.  At the furthest expanses of the universe, we have relativity theory that limits how far we can see and how much we can experience on a grand scale.  Those laws tell us that time and space and gravity conspire to limit our ability to directly experience the edges of the universe.  At the other end of the space-time scale, quantum physics and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle do much the same thing.  The Big Bang and black holes have event horizons beyond which we cannot observe.  Nature includes built-in circularities and singularities that provide natural limits to how we can experience the extreme edges of nature itself.

To a large degree, I think the process of becoming mature is the process of recognizing and coming to terms with circularity, grey areas, and the lack of absolutes.  And certain people have such a need for simple, straight-forward answers without messy unknowns that they cannot function without their presuppositions.

Do you presuppose you can join us and discuss this further tomorrow night?

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"Americans are so wonderfully, sincerely down-to-earth, we have trouble believing it.  To the cynical British mind, any genuine pleasure in meeting a new person is a sign of potential mental illness.  But Americans actually want to make new friends.  They want to get along with you, stranger.  It makes one's life infinitely more interesting to have an American around, because you meet EVERYONE.  It's like permanently going through life with a puppy, or the latest iPhone."
- Tom Cowell, a British man, on the perils and pleasures of being married to an American

 

"To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."
- Antonin Scalia, in Employment Division v. Smith, where he decided that religious liberty does not exempt one from following the law

 

"Hobby Lobby pays millions of dollars to stock their shelves with cheap products made in China, a country where abortion is legal and is even provided by the government for free - when they aren't forcing it on women who want their babies.  It is impossible to accept that the company is unconditionally opposed to a voluntary form of preventive health care that obviates the need for an abortion, while supporting a system that encourages abortion outright.  If Hobby Lobby can do business with China when the profit motive compels them to, they cannot simultaneously pretend that an American woman having access to an insurance policy that includes coverage for contraception is some sort of abomination against their Lord."
- Mark

 

Poem of the Week

A Parisian Roof Garden in 1918

I have wanted other things more than lovers …
I have desired peace, intimately to know
The secret curves of deep-bosomed contentment,
To learn by heart things beautiful and slow.

Cities at night, and cloudful skies, I've wanted;
And open cottage doors, old colors and smells a part;
All dim things, layers of river-mist on river-
To capture Beauty's hands and lay them on my heart.

I have wanted clean rain to kiss my eyelids,
Sea-spray and silver foam to kiss my mouth.
I have wanted strong winds to flay me with passion;
And, to soothe me, tired winds from the south.

These things have I wanted more than lovers …
Jewels in my hands, and dew on morning grass-
Familiar things, while lovers have been strangers.
Friended thus, I have let nothing pass.

 

links … links … Links … LINKS … LINKS!

  * A shining light representing everything the Boy Scouts stand for (Dave McGrath's brother makes national news)
* How do Republicans get away with fighting early voting?
* The ACLU's take on the ACA v. Hobby Lobby hearing
* Is Hobby Lobby hypocritical?
* You're in luck!  A new True Facts video!  ("The interestingness of an animal is proportional to how hard it is to find its butthole.")
* An Idaho teabagger newsletter
* Secular Coalition of America grades our politicians (How did Idaho do?  Four Fs.)
* Really good economic video
* Take this religion quiz and see if you can beat this atheist
* The Idiot's guide to smart people (more Idiot's guides here)
* 7 hints for better sleep
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
Apr 6 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture - 7pm at the Shilo Inn
Apr 19 Sat 2014-15 "Miss, Ms. & Mr" Southeastern Idaho Pride Pageant (Shoshone-Bannock Hotel & Event Center, 777 Bannock Trail, Fort Hall)
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Grammar Nazi, Part VI

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, March 27th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear that the Wild Russet has had its liquor license reinstated, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

Plan to meet there for the near future.

[I have heard that Wild Russet will be open on April 1st - but how can I trust that?  If true, we'll be back there on April 3rd.]


Reminder

The Idaho Humanities Council is holding their 7th Annual Eastern Idaho Distinguished Humanities Lecture and Dinner on April 17th.  The guest speaker is Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Isabel Wilkerson, author of The Warmth of Other Suns:  The Epic Story of America's Great Migration.  If there is any interest, I'd like to put together a Drinking Liberally table.  Please let me know if you are interested in this event.

Again, the event is being held on Thursday, April 17, 7pm, at the Shilo Inn.


Bringing you up to date with the Grammar Nazi:


First, a pet peeve:  useless punctuation in lists like the one above.  There is no need for commas separating the list items if they are already separated physically.  Nor do you need a period after the last item.  The reader will understand that it's a list and where it ends.  And that's the prime directive of grammar:  do what makes sense and communicates efficiently without causing confusion.  No extraneous crap.

Which brings up my second point.  I don't understand why we abbreviate versus the way that we do.  We are supposed to use v. in legal citations and vs. in general usage.  But why?  There is no other common v-word abbreviation that would cause confusion.  Why should we have the s at all?  I'm asserting my privilege as Grammar Nazi and using v. exclusively from now on.

Here's a new one for me.  The word for a person who owns or runs a restaurant is restaurateur.  I had always used the incorrect restauranteur.

How about the difference between flyer and flier?  One's a person or thing that is flying, and the other is a handout.  Which is which?

The proper plural for octopus is octopodes, although octopuses is widely accepted.  Octopi is nonsense.

Britney Spears is a perfect anagram for Presbyterians.

Bemused does not mean amused.  It means pensive to the point of preoccupation.

Disburse means pay out money.  Disperse means to spread out.

Irreparable means "a condition or situation that can't be fixed." Stress on the second syllable [ir-REP-arable].  Irrepairable refers only to mechanical things that cannot be repaired.  Stress on the third syllable [irre-PAIR-able].  Most of the time, you want ir-REP-arable rather than irre-PAIR-able.

Go ahead and use literally figuratively.  People have been using it as an intensifier for literally a million years, and it's OK.

Finally, here's a humorous set of educational videos on grammer (even if they get literally wrong):  Glove and Boots.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"When you buy a cross at Hobby Lobby, you are helping to pay for abortions in China."
- The Rude Pundit

 

"As a matter of public policy, I'm skeptical of same-sex marriage because I think it instantiates (or ratifies, since obviously we've been headed down this road for a while) a public meaning of marriage that's too formless and open-ended to do the very specific job that the institution evolved to do:  To bind and channel heterosexual desire in ways that are specific to the nature of procreation, and that aim to offer as many children as possible the opportunity to grow up in an intimate community with their mother and their father."
- Ross Douthat

 

Poem of the Week

A Parisian Roof Garden in 1918

As I must mount to feed those doves of ours,
Perhaps you too will spend nocturnal hours
        Upon your roof
        So high aloof
That from its terraced bowers
We catch at clouds and draw a bath from showers.
Before the moon has made all pale the night,
Let's meet with flute and viol, and supper light:
A yew lamb, minted sauce, a raisined bun,
A melon riper than the melting sun-
A flask of Xeres, that we've scarce begun
We'll try the " lunar waltz " while floats afar
Upon the liquid night-night's nenuphar.
Or else, with senses tuned alike perchance,
Reclining love will make the heavens dance;
And if the enemy from aerial cars
Drops death, we'll share it vibrant with the stars!

 

links … links … Links … LINKS … LINKS!

  * Hard-hitting piece on abortion rights:  Words have meaning
* Good idea?  How to abolish the electoral college.
* The other big Obamacare hearing (more here)
* Generic brand video
* Tell me all the bad words you know … Go!
* Very gripping fire rescue
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
Mar 29 Sat IHC Bookfair at B&N - a portion of sales go to support the Idaho Humanities Council
Apr 6 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture - 7pm at the Shilo Inn
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Agnotology

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, March 20th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear that the Wild Russet has had its liquor license reinstated, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

Plan to meet there for the near future.


Vocabulary Enhancement

Your new word for the week:  agnotology.  It is the study of culturally induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data.

One notable example of the application of agnotology is the misinformation campaign waged by the tobacco industry to oppose regulation and health warnings (and that industry - including some of the same actors - is now devoted to climate change denialism).

Other examples include the mortgage crisis of 2007, the life work of the Koch brothers, and the raison d'etre of Fox News.


Idaho Humanities Council Day at Barnes & Noble

Ed Marohn and the Idaho Humanities Council are looking for volunteers to donate two hours of their time on Saturday, March,  29th to staff a table for their annual Barnes & Noble Fundraiser, where a percentage of shoppers' proceeds benefit the Idaho Humanities Council.  If you can help, contact Ed at ecmida@cableone.net or 419-7345.


A Favor for LeFavour

Nicole LeFavour has asked us in Eastern Idaho for a little help.  You may have heard about the tragic suicide of Maddie Beard in Pocatello this past February.  Maddie's mother, Carmen Stanger, has joined another mother in a lawsuit against the state of Idaho for failing to protect their children.


If you read the comments there, you will see that Ms Stanger is getting some pushback from some members of the public.  Nicole asked that we help support Carmen in public forums where this case is discussed.  As this case plays out in the news, please look for ways to show your support for her courage and her cause.


ACLU Club of Idaho Falls

Had a great initial meeting for a new group devoted to discussing the work of and lending support to the ACLU.  It was oganized by Leilani Beard, and I think it was a first for the state.  The ACLU has a program for forming support groups at colleges - but nothing for those of us not attending school.  So Leilani took it upon herself to get this group up and running.  We discussed the importance of being an active citizen, the work of the ACLU, ideas for action, and the recent outreach and educational activities of the Idaho affiliate.

We intend this to be a monthly activity - on the third Wednesday of the month - and I will do better to let you know about the next meeting.  And btw, the title above is not official.  I just made it up.

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Quotations of the Week

"I did not abandon my faith because I was hurt or angry or disillusioned.  I did not abandon my faith because I wanted to rebel, or live a life of sin, or refuse god's authority.  I left because I could no longer believe.  I left because I felt there simply was no convincing evidence for my belief.  I left because my faith insulted reason one too many times.  I left because once I applied the same level of skepticism and incredulity to Christianity that I always had to all other faiths, it likewise imploded.  Once I accepted that the Bible's account of cosmic and human origins could not possibly be true, I began to realize that it was just the first in an interminably long line of things the Bible was wrong about."
- Brandon Fibbs

 

"When the forms of an old culture are dying, the new culture is created by a few people who are not afraid to be insecure."
- Rudolf Bahro, East German dissident and philosopher

 

"A little while ago,
we honored the work
during the civil rights era
-an era I lived thru
As a little girl
different from the others...
I am grateful for the basic human rights
Accorded me and my mom and dad
Who spoke for
My Grandma and me
And our community
It has been a long time
others different than many of us
have asked to be heard.
It is my hope
(very fervent hope)
That these people who are different
But bleed like we all do
Be heard
And the 4 words be added
So all of God's children
Are treated as equals
Because (in America)
We all ARE"
- Rep Sue Chew

 

Poem of the Week

The Power of the Dog

There is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.

Buy a pup and your money will buy
Love unflinching that cannot lie -
Perfect passion and worship fed
By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.
Nevertheless it is hardly fair
To risk your heart for a dog to tear.

When the fourteen years which Nature permits
Are closing in asthma, or tumour, or fits,
And the vet's unspoken prescription runs
To lethal chambers or loaded guns,
Then you will find - it's your own affair -
But ... you've given your heart to a dog to tear.

When the body that lived at your single will,
With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!).
When the spirit that answered your every mood
Is gone - wherever it goes - for good,
You will discover how much you care,
And will give your heart to a dog to tear.

We've sorrow enough in the natural way,
When it comes to burying Christian clay.
Our loves are not given, but only lent,
At compound interest of cent per cent.
Though it is not always the case, I believe,
That the longer we've kept 'em, the more do we grieve:
For, when debts are payable, right or wrong,
A short-time loan is as bad as a long -
So why in - Heaven (before we are there)
Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?

 

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  * Big science news
* ... and watch this:  a guy receiving the news that he will win the Nobel Prize in physics in a few years
* Conservatives seeking special treatment again
* House Dems demand Issa's removal (and GOP ignores)
* Can we have a second Progressive Era?
* Laughable:  Louisiana is suing MoveOn
* Oh shit!  We missed the white man's march.
* Neat graphic:  watch 1000 years of European borders
* Mark Levin is a real ass
* Four good, short videos on humanism (narrated by Stephen Fry)
* Neat juggling
* Neil Degrasse Tyson in slow motion (hilarious!) (here's the original)
  * If you need more excellent linkage, check out Yankton!

 

Schedule

 

     
Mar 19-23   Treefort Music Festival in Boise
Mar 29 Sat IHC Bookfair at B&N - a portion of sales go to support the Idaho Humanities Council
Apr 6 Sun Soup Kitchen - join us from 11:30am - 2pm
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture - 7pm at the Shilo Inn
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group - every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought - every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Thursday Night DL at Hotel on the Falls

 

Worse Than Ted Nugent

Next meeting:
  Date Thursday, March 13th
Time 7 to 9pm (show up when you can)
Place Hotel on the Falls at 475 River Pkwy
 




Teabaggers take a selfie at CPAC

SPECIAL LOCATION:  Until I hear that the Wild Russet has had its liquor license reinstated, we will be meeting at the Hotel on the Falls.

Plan to meet there for the near future.


A couple of musical events coming up.  First, the Idaho Falls Yoga Co-op is hosting an exciting event next Tuesday night:

Boise's Sun Blood Stories (psychedelic, blues, garage rock) are headed on a mini-tour and Idaho Falls is stoked to have them back!  Joining them are none other than Portland's Sad Horse (funpunk duo).  If you missed their show here last September, time to join the party!  Local rapper and pop star extraordinaire Leaf Raker will be joining us as well and potentially more to be announced!

Second, Boise's music festival – Treefort – is being held at the end of next week (March 19-23).  More than 17 venues hosting over 350 bands from around the country, a film festival, a storytelling festival, a comedy festival, and a beer festival, all rolled into one 5-day event in the capital city.


There are a few people I strongly disagree with.  Conservatives, especially.  But for the most part, the ones I interact with are decent people who I get along fine with, otherwise.  We can be friendly.  There are some that I even respect and enjoy.  In general, though quite a few conservatives have gotten extreme, I don't feel a huge animosity towards them as a group.  Conservatives are probably necessary, in some sense.

My other philosophical endeavor, atheism, is similar.  I tend to disagree strongly with theists, but I really enjoy most of the theists in my life.  And the ones that are more challenging are still kind of fun.

Even the combination of the two – conservative theists – aren't so bad.  They are wrong about practically everything and I want to see every idea of theirs defeated.  But they are nice people for the most part, in spite of being deluded.

Libertarians are annoying, but kind of fun to talk with, too.  You have to admire their consistency, if not their simplicity.

It is possible to have a decent conversation with any of these people.

Racists are in a different class.  It is a little more difficult to deal with them.  There is a measure of disgust.  Still, unless one is a direct threat to someone, I can carry on a discussion with them.

There is one group that comes at or near the bottom of the list.  People that I cannot bear the thought of trying to interact with.  Any member of the Men's Rights Activist movement.  Honestly, you will never meet a scummier group of people in the world than MRAs.  Hatred is not too strong a word for what I feel for the entire group and all its members.

As an example, consider the recent court case in Massachusetts.  The state Supreme Court had ruled that existing laws against peeping did not cover a situation in which some perv had been arrested for taking up-skirt photos of unsuspecting women.  Most normal people were outraged.  So the state acted quickly and made such actions explicitly illegal.

The MRAs responded like so:

Who thinks like that?  Who thinks that a rule saying you can't take upskirt photos is such a burden?  An assault on personal liberty – or at least a burden worse than the burden of fear that women feel because of the mere existence of such cretins?  Not only do they think that way, but they say it out loud, too.


I suggest that such people are even more unhinged, more morally untethered, than someone like Ted Nugent.  Sure – he's a simplistic moron who hurts his cause every time he opens his mouth.  But the MRAs?  They seem like serial-killer creepy to me.

Their attitude reminds me very much of the concept of selfish freedom.  They think their individual right to act in creepy, stalkerish ways is more important than the personal safety of an entire class of people.  In fact, they twist the argument into one where a law protecting women is actually taking away womens' agency.

In my homily on atheism last year, I discussed the problem that atheism/skepticism has with libertarians and anti-feminists.  And the worst of the worst of the intersection of those two groups is populated by MRAs.

Fair warning.  MRAs are the scummiest cretins and the most cretinous scumbags that you will ever come across.  I just wanted to get that off my chest.

See you Thursday!

Cheers,
Dan

 

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Petition:  Add the words, Idaho
Petition:  Raise the minimum wage to $15/hr

 

Quotations of the Week

"You know, I'm getting really tired of the schtick of so many people that they are 'socially liberal, but fiscally conservative'  In a country where the primary social challenge of our time is the obscene wealth of the privileged few and the growing economic inequity, you don't get to separate those two so neatly anymore:  you are not socially liberal, you are not in favor of equality and opportunity, if you're associating yourself with the poisonous economic policies of the rabid right."
PZ Myers

 

Poem of the Week

Glutton

Ropes of my dead
Grandmother's unreproducible

sausage, curing for weeks

on the front porch.  My mother,
thoroughly

Americanized, found them

vaguely shameful.
Now though I

taste and taste

I can't find that
taste I so loved as a kid.

Each thing generates the Idea

of itself, the perfect thing that it
is, of course, not–

once, a pear so breathtakingly

succulent I couldn't
breathe.  I take back that

"of course."

It's got to be out there again,–
… I have tasted it.

 

links … links … Links … LINKS … LINKS!

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Fukushima, 3 years later
The economics of prostitution
Are the millenials leaning right?
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Schedule

 

     
Mar 14 Fri IF City Club:  Education – Our Economic Foundation, by Rod Gramer, President & CEO of Idaho Business for Education (IBE) (Bennion SUB, noon – 1:30pm)
Mar 18 Tues Sun Blood Stories / Sad Horse at the Idaho Falls Yoga Co-op, 8pm
Mar 19-23   Treefort Music Festival in Boise
Apr 17 Thurs Idaho Humanities Council Distinguished Humanities Dinner & Lecture – 7pm at the Shilo Inn
 
Mon The Nation Discussion Group – every 2nd and 4th Monday, 7:00pm, at Sandy and Merrick Brow's home, 2269 Calkins Avenue, 524‑6230
 
Mon Film for Thought – every 1st, 3rd, and 5th Monday, 7:00pm, at Marsha and David Nipper's home, 3031 S. Boulevard, 523‑8493

 

Add the Words

 

Add the Words in Idaho Falls!

SPECIAL EVENT:
  Date Monday, March 10th
Time 7:30pm
Place Veterans Memorial on Memorial Drive (intersection of Memorial & D St)
Bring Candles, signs, bodies, kids, cameras, songs, warm clothes, & good cheer!
 

Idaho statewide vigils are being held tomorrow night after work (Monday, March 10th) to end lawmakers' silence.

The Idaho Falls vigil is on the Greenbelt next to the river on Memorial drive at 7:30 pm and participants are being asked to bring candles.

This is our chance to help our friends in Boise.  Bring signs if you can, but your body is the most important thing.  WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT!

Cheers,
Dan

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